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Vidding strategy is not a thing I usually think about in those terms, but here we are. I entered a youtube vidding contest and the first round was scored and "The Engineer" finished tied for 13th out of 19 entries.

I didn't expect to score particularly highly, even though I am proud of the vid. But I thought I'd do better than 13th, it is kind of bugging me.

The prompt was to use the vid to explain "Why We Vid". Mine was one of the only vids that didn't use any explanatory text to do so. My aesthetic preference was to make a vid that used the combination of music, lyrics, and cutting in a way so telegraphically clear that I didn't need to supplement it with any text. I think I achieved that goal quite well, so well even that I could vid in Welsh and people who don't speak Welsh know exactly what my vid is saying about joyful creativity. The vid is necessarily simple in some ways to achieve those aesthetic goals. I only use source from about five scenes in one movie, I make very limited color adjustment to my source, I use very limited transitions. It is not intended to be a flashy vid, it's intended to be a pretty vid. And it's intended to be an clear and effective vid. I'm happy with the vid, I think it is successful on the terms I made it.

The winners made beautiful vids. The way they use color, the way they use transitions, the way they integrate different kinds of imagery and language together. But they are vids that I personally find a lot less clear; without the support of text, I would find it difficult to understand their relation to the prompt, and even with the text there are parts I find unclear. But they are unquestionably beautiful vidlets, in the way of the Vidding as Poetry concept [personal profile] lola defined in a memorable VVC vidshow/panel two years ago.

But there's no technique in the winners that I haven't use at some point, to serve some aesthetic and narrative purpose in my vidding. So there's no reason I couldn't make a vid in that style, if I were willing to sacrifice some of the things that are important in my vidding, this one time. So I am contemplating vidding strategy for round 2.

So what does that strategy look like? Maybe the first step is shifting from Kdenlive to Da Vinci Resolve, for access to better coloring tools, and integration with Fusion, which I've increasingly been using anyway for the last five vids or so as a supplement to Kdenlive for motion graphics, fancier compositing effects, and sometimes even simpler effects when I find the Kdenlive controls too limited. Except it turns out installing Da Vinci Resolve on Linux is a pain and I haven't totally sorted it out yet. I've figured out how to get the splash screen to pop up, at least!

And step two is deciding on what things I want to try to copy from the winners. Do I want to use text to emphasize lyrics (even though I usually don't understand the connections the vidder is making between image and lyric)? Do I want to do weird things with color (even though I have even less understanding how making random shots black and white or skew crazily to red helps make the vid better) Are there things I can do in my music selection to make my vid seem more like the winning style of vids (you know, not a Welsh folk song)?

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Date: 2019-06-24 04:29 pm (UTC)
lannamichaels: Astronaut Dale Gardner holds up For Sale sign after EVA. (Default)
From: [personal profile] lannamichaels
re using text and color:

I find using both those really distracting, even worse than using the original audio, which seems to be a trend now, and often can be hugely distracting especially when it's dialogue. There are some vids I love that use it, but there's even more vids I can't finish because the audio input is too jarring for me between the music and the original audio.

I've watched some Chinese fanvids for Guardian and it's got so much stuff on the screen (like text, pop-ups, and emojis) I have to watch like 4 or 5 times to really process everything. When text shows up, I have to stop looking at the visual to read it, and isn't the visual the point? Anything that paints the medium really has to blend in for me to not feel that it's jarring and distracting. Which can be done really well, but excellence is the minority. It's just a case of, where are the eyeballs supposed to be pointing, what is the visual focus meant to be. And adding anything onto the screen can really disrupt that. (Subtitles are fine for me, but those are automatic reading and are always in the same place so they dont interupt anything and don't disrupt the flow of visual information)

But take with a grain of salt since I don't finish more than half the fanvids I start watching.

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Date: 2019-06-24 05:57 pm (UTC)
lannamichaels: Astronaut Dale Gardner holds up For Sale sign after EVA. (Default)
From: [personal profile] lannamichaels
Ha, this is why I am bad at vids. That first one, I lasted 12 seconds. Discordant noises, two different images next to each other, text moving on the screen, then someone voice-overing while the music does sharp things in the background. The second one I lasted slightly longer, but got really distracted by the static artifacts that were added and flashing, and even getting past there, I couldn't understand what I was seeing on the vid and how it meant anything (it's random clips, some voice over, some in color and some bw), what am I even looking at.

But I made it through the third one! It's a multifandom vid for which I don't know most of the fandoms, but I can roll with that. I assume someone who knows the fandom understands the throughline and understands how all these random short clips all go together.

Regarding what you say about fannishness, I agree. With something as short as a vid, I need that touchstone of knowing what I'm looking at or, if a storytelling vid manages to contain its world entirely, that's also fine (and treat it as a very short piece of media like a music video like genghis khan can be). But vids use such shorthand language that if I don't know the source, I don't know what language I'm trying to read in, whereas if I know the source, if you show me a short clip of someone handing someone a letter, I know what's in the letter and why it fits that moment in the vid. Even when people vid to non-visual sources, I've been able to follow along because it's clearly using footage from elsewhere to demonstrate things in a fandom I already know, so if they use a clip of a random woman with her hair blowing in the wind, I know who that's meant to be.

Whereas this, I'm reminded of that remark someone made once about certain Oscar categories, it's not the best cinematography/costumes/etc, it's the most. Those first two vids make me think that someone said "okay which two vids look like they were edited a lot, those are clearly the best, since I can see the work that went into it".

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Date: 2019-06-25 02:59 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aurumcalendula
they seem less *fannish* than the vids that normally move around on DW. They are so multifannishly decontextualized, particularly the first vid, that they don't make any coherent fannish statement.

This!

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Date: 2019-06-25 03:19 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ghost_lingering
My totally helpful suggestion is do what they do but weirder.

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Date: 2019-06-25 06:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] amnisias
I am trawling youtube a lot to find new vidders and vids for Eurovision, and you are right that vidding community has moved on from the vvc aesthetics a lot, and I think it is really great that you engage with this thoughtfully and with curiosity. There is a stronger emphasis on visual cohesiveness, e.g. matching internal/external motions, motives and colours rather than narrative structure, which now often is replaced by using voice over and/or text. Colouring and effects are used to enhance the visual impact of the vid rather than to convey meaning. Multi-source vids are very popular with vidders for looking for clip similarities, patterns and repetitions or mirroring rather than context. I am oldschool and on the whole am not keen on very talky vids or random use of text or effects but have found some vids and vidders who are creating visually stunning pieces and intersting new ways of using tv footage and engaing with source material.

If you are viewing this as an excise to challenge yourself to vid in a way that is not intuitively yours I would suggest to check out the vids the judges make to get an idea what they are likely to find appealing as well as the winners of the first round.

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Date: 2019-06-27 04:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thirdblindmouse
Let me know if you have further luck with Da Vinci Resolve on Linux. I installed it on my other laptop during The Grim Year of Windows 10, but since switching back I haven't had the hard drive space to try.

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