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The initial Mishna banned having milk and meat on the same table even if you were not eating them together. This is not the actual mitzvah, which is cooking the two together, it's just a d'rabbanan addition. But it raises questions about how far you're going to take the concept of separation of milk and meat. Because the chumra of the week club is prepared to take it super far.
Says the Mishna: You're permitted to have milk and meat on the same table if nobody's eating at the table. You're permitted to have milk and meat in the same bag if they're not touching. You're even permitted to have milk and meat at the same table with people eating if the people don't know each other (a public picnic bench, perhaps). But if the people eating know each other, it's forbidden.
So the original Rabbinic gezeira is specific to situations where there's a reasonable chance that people might be grabbing food from all over the table and eating it, to avoid mistakes or carelessness. But what if you say "Okay, I can see how people might be careless, but I myself am extremely careful, I need not hold by this gezeirah"?
Abaye responds by telling the story of a baker on Pesach. The Rabbis banned decorating matzah with symbols because they feared it would take extra time that would risk the matzah leavening. Clever baker Baitos ben Zunin made a complicated stamp that he would stamp onto his matzos a fancy pattern, as his signature. It took no extra time, so he asked the Rabbis to permit him to decorate his matzos with the stamps, but they refused, because if people saw his decorated matzos they would assume any decorated matzah was okay. In order to enforce a rule, it has to be enforced consistently even when that leads to needless strictness.
The initial Mishna banned having milk and meat on the same table even if you were not eating them together. This is not the actual mitzvah, which is cooking the two together, it's just a d'rabbanan addition. But it raises questions about how far you're going to take the concept of separation of milk and meat. Because the chumra of the week club is prepared to take it super far.
Says the Mishna: You're permitted to have milk and meat on the same table if nobody's eating at the table. You're permitted to have milk and meat in the same bag if they're not touching. You're even permitted to have milk and meat at the same table with people eating if the people don't know each other (a public picnic bench, perhaps). But if the people eating know each other, it's forbidden.
So the original Rabbinic gezeira is specific to situations where there's a reasonable chance that people might be grabbing food from all over the table and eating it, to avoid mistakes or carelessness. But what if you say "Okay, I can see how people might be careless, but I myself am extremely careful, I need not hold by this gezeirah"?
Abaye responds by telling the story of a baker on Pesach. The Rabbis banned decorating matzah with symbols because they feared it would take extra time that would risk the matzah leavening. Clever baker Baitos ben Zunin made a complicated stamp that he would stamp onto his matzos a fancy pattern, as his signature. It took no extra time, so he asked the Rabbis to permit him to decorate his matzos with the stamps, but they refused, because if people saw his decorated matzos they would assume any decorated matzah was okay. In order to enforce a rule, it has to be enforced consistently even when that leads to needless strictness.
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Date: 2019-03-14 08:34 pm (UTC)A List of All Kosher Pokemon.
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Date: 2019-03-14 08:56 pm (UTC)