I'm not sure I follow all of this. I'm not sure if you are arguing with me or not.
Jai claims that there are two simultaneous, separate holidays, the religious observance of Christmas and the secular holiday of American Christmas with the work skipping and gift giving and whatever. My claim is that there is significant overlap between the two holidays. While they may not both be religious observances, they are both Christian observances. And my further claim is that any attempt to pretend otherwise is just pretend, and that pretend is revealed anytime the Christian roots of the holiday come into conflict with more inclusive aims and the Christian roots win.
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Jai claims that there are two simultaneous, separate holidays, the religious observance of Christmas and the secular holiday of American Christmas with the work skipping and gift giving and whatever. My claim is that there is significant overlap between the two holidays. While they may not both be religious observances, they are both Christian observances. And my further claim is that any attempt to pretend otherwise is just pretend, and that pretend is revealed anytime the Christian roots of the holiday come into conflict with more inclusive aims and the Christian roots win.