The most fascinating bit of the conversation for me was when they all discussed the moment when they had moved from writing fanfiction that adhered as closely to canon as possible- deleted scenes, episode tags, casefic- to writing something that deviated.
Interesting. I've only dabbled in writing my own fanfic a bit so far, but the little I've done mostly follows this pattern: I start with character studies, then I do stories which are entirely consistent with the existing canon but have some minor addition or tweak, and then I branch out towards more original stuff.
They can't comprehend how I approach contemporary copyright law as a thing to ignore when one is not politically inspired and to campaign against when one is.
I got in a minor kerfluffle a month or so ago on Tumblr re: copyright. A bunch of Tumblr/DeviantArt artists were complaining about people resharing their fanart without crediting them. While I see their point, I pointed out that this it is somewhat hypocritical for them to be using other people's work without permission, and then to be upset when others used their work without permission. I do definitely see the difference between (1) creating fanart, (2) resharing a work without giving credit, and (3) deliberately claiming that someone else's work is your own. However, I see these as being different in degree, not kind. My argument was not meant to be one of whether one type of "stealing" is moral or not, nor about the artistic value of fanart, but instead about the potential hypocrisy inherent in condemning one and not the other. I was also making the point that if fanart creators want to revile people for doing #s 2 and 3, that they should not be surprised when the original work's creators revile fanart creators for doing #1. The kerfluffle came about b/c the people on Tumblr who replied were thinking that I was condemning fanart for not being art or for not being hard to do, and I think they were just having difficulty distinguishing between the many different aspects of the issue, because I never touched on those at all and in fact completely agreed with their stance on those aspects.
I also get irritated when people say "no copyright infringement intended" on their fan works. Copyright infringement doesn't care about intent, much like killing people doesn't care about intent - whether it's intentional or not, the person's still dead. When I create fanfic, I'm perfectly aware that the original creators could take me to court for violating copyright law (whether they'd win or not is a different matter, but the burden of proof is on me and I know it), and my hope lies in the sheer volume of such works.
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Interesting. I've only dabbled in writing my own fanfic a bit so far, but the little I've done mostly follows this pattern: I start with character studies, then I do stories which are entirely consistent with the existing canon but have some minor addition or tweak, and then I branch out towards more original stuff.
They can't comprehend how I approach contemporary copyright law as a thing to ignore when one is not politically inspired and to campaign against when one is.
I got in a minor kerfluffle a month or so ago on Tumblr re: copyright. A bunch of Tumblr/DeviantArt artists were complaining about people resharing their fanart without crediting them. While I see their point, I pointed out that this it is somewhat hypocritical for them to be using other people's work without permission, and then to be upset when others used their work without permission. I do definitely see the difference between (1) creating fanart, (2) resharing a work without giving credit, and (3) deliberately claiming that someone else's work is your own. However, I see these as being different in degree, not kind. My argument was not meant to be one of whether one type of "stealing" is moral or not, nor about the artistic value of fanart, but instead about the potential hypocrisy inherent in condemning one and not the other. I was also making the point that if fanart creators want to revile people for doing #s 2 and 3, that they should not be surprised when the original work's creators revile fanart creators for doing #1. The kerfluffle came about b/c the people on Tumblr who replied were thinking that I was condemning fanart for not being art or for not being hard to do, and I think they were just having difficulty distinguishing between the many different aspects of the issue, because I never touched on those at all and in fact completely agreed with their stance on those aspects.
I also get irritated when people say "no copyright infringement intended" on their fan works. Copyright infringement doesn't care about intent, much like killing people doesn't care about intent - whether it's intentional or not, the person's still dead. When I create fanfic, I'm perfectly aware that the original creators could take me to court for violating copyright law (whether they'd win or not is a different matter, but the burden of proof is on me and I know it), and my hope lies in the sheer volume of such works.